C32 Vs. WRX STI
09-24-2006, 07:28 PM
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C32 Vs. WRX STI
These d@mn STI's.
I posted a kill story the other day where I raced a STI on the freeway and smoked him....
Today, I was lucky enough to pull up behind one at a red light with a long strech of road in front of us. I was thinking to myself this guy is toast. I put the car in 1st and turned the ESP off. We waited a few seconds for the light to turn green and then we were off. I thought for sure I was going to pass him before I hit 60, but it didn't happen. In fact, I didn't pass him until we hit 110! I shot him the peace sign as I flew by, and then I made my way home. What's up with this? I thought we were supposed to pass these guys sooner. Maybe I have been underestimating the STI and its abilities. Maybe I can't drive. Maybe my C32 is a slow one. Who knows....
It was a close call.
I posted a kill story the other day where I raced a STI on the freeway and smoked him....
Today, I was lucky enough to pull up behind one at a red light with a long strech of road in front of us. I was thinking to myself this guy is toast. I put the car in 1st and turned the ESP off. We waited a few seconds for the light to turn green and then we were off. I thought for sure I was going to pass him before I hit 60, but it didn't happen. In fact, I didn't pass him until we hit 110! I shot him the peace sign as I flew by, and then I made my way home. What's up with this? I thought we were supposed to pass these guys sooner. Maybe I have been underestimating the STI and its abilities. Maybe I can't drive. Maybe my C32 is a slow one. Who knows....
It was a close call.
09-24-2006, 08:16 PM
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Nah...they ALL have hoodscoops...even their Cute-ute/wagon has a hoodscoop... 
Did the front of it look like this? It would be a new one then, which from what I heard is pretty decent...but still behind the Evo it terms of performance.
Did the front of it look like this? It would be a new one then, which from what I heard is pretty decent...but still behind the Evo it terms of performance.
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Could have been modded, so easy to gain power from these 2.5 liter 4 turbo.
Like in my audi, 50hp out of a chip hahaha.
Like in my audi, 50hp out of a chip hahaha.
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a stock sti will be a drivers race up to 100+, especially from a stop, from a roll you take their launch advantage and will slowly pull away until 100+, after 100+ you will KILL them.
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STI's are 13 sec flat cars, it's a heads up match until higher speeds where their tiny turbo's weaken them. They launch like a **** so most of the time the awd will take off like a bat out of hell.
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Now I don't feel so bad. I was behind hime at the light and as soon as I could, I got next to him.
I don't think it was a new one. Then again, I was looking at the back of his car most of the race.
All that matters is that I beat him....A kill is a kill, right?
I don't think it was a new one. Then again, I was looking at the back of his car most of the race.
All that matters is that I beat him....A kill is a kill, right?
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These d@mn STI's.
I posted a kill story the other day where I raced a STI on the freeway and smoked him....
Today, I was lucky enough to pull up behind one at a red light with a long strech of road in front of us. I was thinking to myself this guy is toast. I put the car in 1st and turned the ESP off. We waited a few seconds for the light to turn green and then we were off. I thought for sure I was going to pass him before I hit 60, but it didn't happen. In fact, I didn't pass him until we hit 110! I shot him the peace sign as I flew by, and then I made my way home. What's up with this? I thought we were supposed to pass these guys sooner. Maybe I have been underestimating the STI and its abilities. Maybe I can't drive. Maybe my C32 is a slow one. Who knows....
It was a close call.
I posted a kill story the other day where I raced a STI on the freeway and smoked him....
Today, I was lucky enough to pull up behind one at a red light with a long strech of road in front of us. I was thinking to myself this guy is toast. I put the car in 1st and turned the ESP off. We waited a few seconds for the light to turn green and then we were off. I thought for sure I was going to pass him before I hit 60, but it didn't happen. In fact, I didn't pass him until we hit 110! I shot him the peace sign as I flew by, and then I made my way home. What's up with this? I thought we were supposed to pass these guys sooner. Maybe I have been underestimating the STI and its abilities. Maybe I can't drive. Maybe my C32 is a slow one. Who knows....
It was a close call.
The only way a C32/55 has a chance against an STI, is at a roll already at highway speeds, in any other situation, forget about it.
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Well it's just what I heard. My friend was looking at both, he obviously had to do some research, and he decided on the Evo...he said it was just better.
Well it's just what I heard. My friend was looking at both, he obviously had to do some research, and he decided on the Evo...he said it was just better.
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Edit: Well, I guess the Evo has better seats
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It's hard to tell do since you said you past him at 120 or so. Man I stop racing at about 100 or so. Good race none the less. I want to go boost next and my next car will be a boosted EVO or Supra.
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Bone stock STI's will do 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and consistely run mid-high 12's in the 1/4 mile all day long with a half decent driver, all you need to be in the low 12's is an intake and a TBE, which i'd say a majority of STI's have. You really had no chance at all.
The only way a C32/55 has a chance against an STI, is at a roll already at highway speeds, in any other situation, forget about it.
The only way a C32/55 has a chance against an STI, is at a roll already at highway speeds, in any other situation, forget about it.
show me one respectible magazine that has a stock STI with high 12's? In fact they are mid 13's and their trap speeds are not that great.
some have hit low 13's, but their trap speeds are not in par with a C55 or C32
I have no issue on the 0-60.. but I have NOT seen any major magazine publish the times you quoted for the 1/4.
And don't tell me its on Dragtimes.com or vidstreetfighter or some guy that claim he was stock. (jada jada jada)
most magazine writers are season profressionals and they are 95% better drivers most of its readers.
I killed an STI (White) 05 model from 60 to 120. He never gain on me.. and I was stock. (you can search the kill seciton, I even described the freeway, time, location, and we ran 3 times on a lonely freeway)
have you seen this video..
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...0a018739b8.htm
I know STI's can be made into monsters.. but most people would take the EVO to start a major modding project.
As far as making a Subi a low 12's car... it takes way more than intake and a TBE my friend.. (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Just a few months back we had a subi owner join us "V8killer" or similar. He wanted to kill E55's, and he was doing a major overhaul of his engine and intercooler with alcahol injections.. that is just run low 12's..
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Bone stock STI's will do 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and consistely run mid-high 12's in the 1/4 mile all day long with a half decent driver, all you need to be in the low 12's is an intake and a TBE, which i'd say a majority of STI's have. You really had no chance at all.
The only way a C32/55 has a chance against an STI, is at a roll already at highway speeds, in any other situation, forget about it.
The only way a C32/55 has a chance against an STI, is at a roll already at highway speeds, in any other situation, forget about it.
A stock 32/55 vs. any newer STI is a close race and if all are stock the results will always be the same (with a good STI driver). The subi will jump out front off the line and the AMG will be even around 60 and walk from there. Every time.Low 12s.....
One of MANY articles out there. Should also help with the EVO vs. STI...
http://www.scoobyblog.com/2006-03-23...ubaru-wrx-sti/
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WRONG! Your 0-60 is close to accurate but your 1/4 is rediculous. My uncle is a die hard subi owner and has had several WRX and STI's in the past. It takes a lot more than a good driver, intake, and TBE to dip into the low 12s! A stock 32/55 vs. any newer STI is a close race and if all are stock the results will always be the same (with a good STI driver). The subi will jump out front off the line and the AMG will be even around 60 and walk from there. Every time.
Low 12s.....
One of MANY articles out there. Should also help with the EVO vs. STI...
http://www.scoobyblog.com/2006-03-23...ubaru-wrx-sti/
A stock 32/55 vs. any newer STI is a close race and if all are stock the results will always be the same (with a good STI driver). The subi will jump out front off the line and the AMG will be even around 60 and walk from there. Every time.Low 12s.....
One of MANY articles out there. Should also help with the EVO vs. STI...
http://www.scoobyblog.com/2006-03-23...ubaru-wrx-sti/
ditto! I agree w/ ya.
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where are you getting you data?
show me one respectible magazine that has a stock STI with high 12's? In fact they are mid 13's and their trap speeds are not that great.
some have hit low 13's, but their trap speeds are not in par with a C55 or C32
I have no issue on the 0-60.. but I have NOT seen any major magazine publish the times you quoted for the 1/4.
And don't tell me its on Dragtimes.com or vidstreetfighter or some guy that claim he was stock. (jada jada jada)
most magazine writers are season profressionals and they are 95% better drivers most of its readers.
I killed an STI (White) 05 model from 60 to 120. He never gain on me.. and I was stock. (you can search the kill seciton, I even described the freeway, time, location, and we ran 3 times on a lonely freeway)
have you seen this video..
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...0a018739b8.htm
I know STI's can be made into monsters.. but most people would take the EVO to start a major modding project.
As far as making a Subi a low 12's car... it takes way more than intake and a TBE my friend.. (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Just a few months back we had a subi owner join us "V8killer" or similar. He wanted to kill E55's, and he was doing a major overhaul of his engine and intercooler with alcahol injections.. that is just run low 12's..
show me one respectible magazine that has a stock STI with high 12's? In fact they are mid 13's and their trap speeds are not that great.
some have hit low 13's, but their trap speeds are not in par with a C55 or C32
I have no issue on the 0-60.. but I have NOT seen any major magazine publish the times you quoted for the 1/4.
And don't tell me its on Dragtimes.com or vidstreetfighter or some guy that claim he was stock. (jada jada jada)
most magazine writers are season profressionals and they are 95% better drivers most of its readers.
I killed an STI (White) 05 model from 60 to 120. He never gain on me.. and I was stock. (you can search the kill seciton, I even described the freeway, time, location, and we ran 3 times on a lonely freeway)
have you seen this video..
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...0a018739b8.htm
I know STI's can be made into monsters.. but most people would take the EVO to start a major modding project.
As far as making a Subi a low 12's car... it takes way more than intake and a TBE my friend.. (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Just a few months back we had a subi owner join us "V8killer" or similar. He wanted to kill E55's, and he was doing a major overhaul of his engine and intercooler with alcahol injections.. that is just run low 12's..
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where are you getting you data?
show me one respectible magazine that has a stock STI with high 12's? In fact they are mid 13's and their trap speeds are not that great.
some have hit low 13's, but their trap speeds are not in par with a C55 or C32
I have no issue on the 0-60.. but I have NOT seen any major magazine publish the times you quoted for the 1/4.
And don't tell me its on Dragtimes.com or vidstreetfighter or some guy that claim he was stock. (jada jada jada)
most magazine writers are season profressionals and they are 95% better drivers most of its readers.
I killed an STI (White) 05 model from 60 to 120. He never gain on me.. and I was stock. (you can search the kill seciton, I even described the freeway, time, location, and we ran 3 times on a lonely freeway)
have you seen this video..
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...0a018739b8.htm
I know STI's can be made into monsters.. but most people would take the EVO to start a major modding project.
As far as making a Subi a low 12's car... it takes way more than intake and a TBE my friend.. (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Just a few months back we had a subi owner join us "V8killer" or similar. He wanted to kill E55's, and he was doing a major overhaul of his engine and intercooler with alcahol injections.. that is just run low 12's..
show me one respectible magazine that has a stock STI with high 12's? In fact they are mid 13's and their trap speeds are not that great.
some have hit low 13's, but their trap speeds are not in par with a C55 or C32
I have no issue on the 0-60.. but I have NOT seen any major magazine publish the times you quoted for the 1/4.
And don't tell me its on Dragtimes.com or vidstreetfighter or some guy that claim he was stock. (jada jada jada)
most magazine writers are season profressionals and they are 95% better drivers most of its readers.
I killed an STI (White) 05 model from 60 to 120. He never gain on me.. and I was stock. (you can search the kill seciton, I even described the freeway, time, location, and we ran 3 times on a lonely freeway)
have you seen this video..
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...0a018739b8.htm
I know STI's can be made into monsters.. but most people would take the EVO to start a major modding project.
As far as making a Subi a low 12's car... it takes way more than intake and a TBE my friend.. (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Just a few months back we had a subi owner join us "V8killer" or similar. He wanted to kill E55's, and he was doing a major overhaul of his engine and intercooler with alcahol injections.. that is just run low 12's..
LOL guess who???? I have not been in here due to a marriage to plan and my car being down. I would not call my upgrades major but they are considerable. I use to own a Range Rover and dumped a considerable amount on that, got sick of the truck being in the shop more than in my garage. With that said I am not a kid in a ricer moble but just a guy who decided to change priorities, owns 4 daily cars and at 33 just into having a bit more invested into the future than in my rides. The car is back up as of last friday and is a monster. Now it's hard to compare a stock vehicle to a modded one so let's just leave it at that. The stock Sti turbo is considerably smaller than a stock Evo turbo hence the difference in power from bolt on mods. The best a stock turbo'ed Sti with bolt ons can manage is 300-320 awhp while an Evo with similar mods =350-360 awhp. A Sti stock can trap 12.8-13.3 with a decent driver with traps in the 100-108 range. When modded in stages the cars will actually hit the lower times more consistently since a great launch is not needed to get the best times. On most boards the consensus is magazine drivers suck and usually dealing with new not broken in cars which will make more power.
Now onto my mods FP green turbo stock inlet 1300.00, injectors PE 850cc's 550.00, UR racing external wastegate setup with tial 44mm and atmospheric dump 700.00, Greddy EBC 250.00, WBR fmic 800.00, Greddy catback with Invidia 3 inch dp 750.00, and that's it for now aside for some minor supporting parts no injection YET!! Power output on moderate boost 350-400 awhp and that will jump another 50 more or less with injection.......by the way this is not a 12 sec setup, so don't be fooled. I am in break in right now so have not had a chance to see what she can really do. I gave you guys this list to show truely what was done and where it places me. Love this forum and when constructive not bias comments are made they are welcomed.
P.S : On a side not my name is not a jab to this board I have the same name on over 20 car enthusiasts boards and the goal is not to beat E55's but to just have some more power for fun!
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LOL guess who???? I have not been in here due to a marriage to plan and my car being down. I would not call my upgrades major but they are considerable. I use to own a Range Rover and dumped a considerable amount on that, got sick of the truck being in the shop more than in my garage. With that said I am not a kid in a ricer moble but just a guy who decided to change priorities, owns 4 daily cars and at 33 just into having a bit more invested into the future than in my rides. The car is back up as of last friday and is a monster. Now it's hard to compare a stock vehicle to a modded one so let's just leave it at that. The stock Sti turbo is considerably smaller than a stock Evo turbo hence the difference in power from bolt on mods. The best a stock turbo'ed Sti with bolt ons can manage is 300-320 awhp while an Evo with similar mods =350-360 awhp. A Sti stock can trap 12.8-13.3 with a decent driver with traps in the 100-108 range. When modded in stages the cars will actually hit the lower times more consistently since a great launch is not needed to get the best times. On most boards the consensus is magazine drivers suck and usually dealing with new not broken in cars which will make more power.
Now onto my mods FP green turbo stock inlet 1300.00, injectors PE 850cc's 550.00, UR racing external wastegate setup with tial 44mm and atmospheric dump 700.00, Greddy EBC 250.00, WBR fmic 800.00, Greddy catback with Invidia 3 inch dp 750.00, and that's it for now aside for some minor supporting parts no injection YET!! Power output on moderate boost 350-400 awhp and that will jump another 50 more or less with injection.......by the way this is not a 12 sec setup, so don't be fooled. I am in break in right now so have not had a chance to see what she can really do. I gave you guys this list to show truely what was done and where it places me. Love this forum and when constructive not bias comments are made they are welcomed.
P.S : On a side not my name is not a jab to this board I have the same name on over 20 car enthusiasts boards and the goal is not to beat E55's but to just have some more power for fun!
Now onto my mods FP green turbo stock inlet 1300.00, injectors PE 850cc's 550.00, UR racing external wastegate setup with tial 44mm and atmospheric dump 700.00, Greddy EBC 250.00, WBR fmic 800.00, Greddy catback with Invidia 3 inch dp 750.00, and that's it for now aside for some minor supporting parts no injection YET!! Power output on moderate boost 350-400 awhp and that will jump another 50 more or less with injection.......by the way this is not a 12 sec setup, so don't be fooled. I am in break in right now so have not had a chance to see what she can really do. I gave you guys this list to show truely what was done and where it places me. Love this forum and when constructive not bias comments are made they are welcomed.
P.S : On a side not my name is not a jab to this board I have the same name on over 20 car enthusiasts boards and the goal is not to beat E55's but to just have some more power for fun!
congrats on getting hitched!
I agree with most of your points.. except the 12.8 and 108 trap speed... in stock form..
108mph is a high number to acheive with only 300hp (flywheel).. it just does not add up, especially with AWD 300hp. You will need atleast 340+ to get that trap speed.
I have seen EVO's close close to low 13's in stock form more consistantly than the STI.
Any how welcome back and thanks for the input.
BTW: With that set up, E55's should not be a problem, unless they ar Stage1 and above.
(my next project is a simple pulley upgrade on my E55 and maybe the ECU). For now my C32 is done and I'm debating of selling it or keep the car as my daily driver.
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Oh don't get me wrong I gave a range of times that guys have done, I would link this to one of our track times thread but doubt it's necessary. We actually have had plenty of guys hit 12.3 on a bolt on stock turbo'ed Sti. the reason you see more consistent "better times" with Evo's is gearing. the Sti gearing is not condusive to 1/4 mile runs. 1st gear about 30 mph, 2nd 58mph, 3rd I forget about 78, 4th 98 and 5th not sure on. That's alot of shifting to finish the 1/4 with alot of room for mistakes and time lost to shifts. Oh not sure on stg 1 E55's but I won't need as much power to overcome them weigh is a big benefit here. OOPPPS forgot since awd drivetrain parts sap power to the wheels I am having a Canadian manufactuer who supplies drift teams make me a custom differential setup to convert awd to RWD. I will be one of maybe 3 people ever in the USA to use this type of conversion. Benefits = less drivetrain loss and smoky burnouts! Thanks for the congrats, and once we are married I see a Z06 in my future or possibly a AMG model.
Hey can you post a link where I can see Stg'ed kits for the E55, I am interested in seeing what they put down with mods.
Hey can you post a link where I can see Stg'ed kits for the E55, I am interested in seeing what they put down with mods.
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Oh don't get me wrong I gave a range of times that guys have done, I would link this to one of our track times thread but doubt it's necessary. We actually have had plenty of guys hit 12.3 on a bolt on stock turbo'ed Sti. the reason you see more consistent "better times" with Evo's is gearing. the Sti gearing is not condusive to 1/4 mile runs. 1st gear about 30 mph, 2nd 58mph, 3rd I forget about 78, 4th 98 and 5th not sure on. That's alot of shifting to finish the 1/4 with alot of room for mistakes and time lost to shifts. Oh not sure on stg 1 E55's but I won't need as much power to overcome them weigh is a big benefit here. OOPPPS forgot since awd drivetrain parts sap power to the wheels I am having a Canadian manufactuer who supplies drift teams make me a custom differential setup to convert awd to RWD. I will be one of maybe 3 people ever in the USA to use this type of conversion. Benefits = less drivetrain loss and smoky burnouts! Thanks for the congrats, and once we are married I see a Z06 in my future or possibly a AMG model.
Hey can you post a link where I can see Stg'ed kits for the E55, I am interested in seeing what they put down with mods.
Hey can you post a link where I can see Stg'ed kits for the E55, I am interested in seeing what they put down with mods.
kleemann
or renntech
usually they will post their products with some base lines runs and after mods..
Stage 1... low 12's or high 11's with about 117+ trap speed (good track, and condition)
Stage 2: high 11's and mid 11's with trap speed of 120+
here is a stage 2 car.. (pulley, ecu and headers) running mid 11's (notice the trap speed) NO drags
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...2156f0372a.htm
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My little brother has a quick wrx that's been a project build for the last couple years. last week he came home and took off to my parents cabin for a couple days and left his car at my house 
this car on race gas and 31 lbs of boost is running around 600 awhp. 
Since I didn’t have any appointments today I decided to take the car to my office so i could make some calls, send a fax, look at a file, what ever...I just really wanted to drive the car. This thing was so much fun, makes me want to build one to race with. I hesitate to use this word around here but it really is a beast.
This car is sooooooo fast. I almost had my girlfriend in tears last night because she was scared I was going to make her ride in it with me again. A while ago she swore that she would never get into this car again with me and for sure never with my brother. I know I could get her in the car with me again but I think she literally will be crying about it.
I dont have anything to add to the 1/4 time and trap mph debate but I know that I would buy an sti to build over an evo all day long. I think there is a wrx/evo shootout comming up here mid oct. That should be fun to see how things turn out, mabye there will even be some **** talking going around too
this car on race gas and 31 lbs of boost is running around 600 awhp. Since I didn’t have any appointments today I decided to take the car to my office so i could make some calls, send a fax, look at a file, what ever...I just really wanted to drive the car. This thing was so much fun, makes me want to build one to race with. I hesitate to use this word around here but it really is a beast.
This car is sooooooo fast. I almost had my girlfriend in tears last night because she was scared I was going to make her ride in it with me again. A while ago she swore that she would never get into this car again with me and for sure never with my brother. I know I could get her in the car with me again but I think she literally will be crying about it.
I dont have anything to add to the 1/4 time and trap mph debate but I know that I would buy an sti to build over an evo all day long. I think there is a wrx/evo shootout comming up here mid oct. That should be fun to see how things turn out, mabye there will even be some **** talking going around too
